Just been sent the face book link to this, looks like an intresting documentory.



In a sleepy lagoon off the coast of Japan, behind a wall of barbed wire and "Keep Out” signs, lies a shocking secret. It is here, under cover of night, that the fishermen of Taiji engage in an unseen hunt for thousands of dolphins. The nature of the work is so horrifying, a few desperate men will stop at nothing to keep it hidden from the world. But when an elite team of activists, filmmakers and freedivers embark on a covert mission to penetrate the cove, they discover that the shocking atrocities they find there are just the tip of the iceberg.

Hello Jane,

Thanks for the video link.

It is very, very sadly, what the humans (fishers and consumers) make with this great animals.


Regards
Joerg and Yoki

This is quite famous. The Cove was an Academy Award Nominee for Best Documentary of 2009. Horrible business. I can't bring myself to watch it.

So what is the problem here?
Is it about the re-introduction of dolphins to the wild forests of scotland?

Its about the slaughter of a species just like the Wolves were only much worse.

Ok..sorry...sensitivity is not my forte...in case you hadnt noticed...
But are we talking about a sustainable marine harvest here...or proper immoral carnage?

Its thousends at a time.

Sounds pretty unsustainable then...
But what is the porpoise of the killing?

The ones that dont end up being sold for the perpose of entertaiment,
end up slautered and are sold for the meat traid, like the do with whales.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_drive_hunting

Sorry to say,but according to the figuers in that link,the proportion of pilot whales killed in the Faroe Isles is less than 0.77% of the total in the area...seems ok to me on a sustainability level...
Whether it is ok on a kindness level is open to debate....
But by the way...ever seen cattle go to slaughter....I have...they get off the lorry...walk across the yard...enter the abbatoir...smell the blood and viscera...and panic...
As a source of food,what's the difference?

I suppose that the point I am trying to make is that it's only because these creatures are unusual to us as non-fisherpersons that they have this "god like" status...if we saw them every day on the shop shelves...or alongside our boats,I bet we would not be so precious about them...cows are a regular part of our lives...shoes...food and milk..but who thinks about the calves that are killed to give us our milk in our morning tea/coffee?
Yes..killed...they are taken away and turned into pies/dog food ..and we as people keep stealing the milk from the cow to go on our supermarket shelves....
So what is so wrong with eating some whales?
What else are they good for?

Its about dolphines not whales.

And cows as they are now, wouldnt be around today
if it wasnt for humans, if everyone stopped eating beef tomorrow
or stoffed drinking milk, cows would be gone.

Sorry..the bit I read was about pilot whales...but what is the difference...not scientifically..but really?
A whale..a Dolphin...as I said if these creatures were part of our daily diet for generations...we would not bat an eyelid about this topic...
What do you think?

No we probably wouldnt, if dolphines and whales could be farmed like we can do with salmon,
then probably a lot of people wouldnt have a problem with it,



The way they are going, tbh they will hunt them to extention (sp)
theres already concerns that both whales and dolphines are declining,
with farm animals we keep breeding them, whales and dolphines
breed about once a year, they only have one calf - although it has been known at some time or another for two to be born.

These people arnt breeding them like we do with cows, they also kill an entire pod,
insted of being selective and say killing a few older ones out of the pod.

All true...but what gets me is that the sea covers the majority of the planet...there must still be vast expanses that are not touched by these primitive methods...what I get cross about is those huge trawler boats that ransack hundreds of miles of ocean in one go...killing everything in sight...depleting the food souce of dolphins and other fish...tell me,do you eat cod,haddock,coley or whiting?

Not verry often lol
i do eat tuna, but its dolphine friendly.

At one time we used to eat it fresh caught, by line that is.

On the topic of salmon farming...I spent 2 years on the west coast of scotland on salmon farms...did you know that they use "trash fish" (capelin,whiting etc) as food...1000s of tonnes per year..and use female hormones to boost the growth of salmon...bet you didnt!!

sorry to disapoint - but yes i knew about the trash fish as food,
they use it on trout farms aswell, its also put in to some fish food
for tropical and goldfish, fish will eat other fish,
so it wouldnt be any different to them eating a dead tank mate.

Didnt realy know about the hormone thing - but it wouldnt be any different to
what they do with fowl, and if i remember right - didnt they used to give cattle hormones
or something like that, my brain's fried at the moment lol

Well done Jane...sorry to be patronising but you know your stuff...didnt think many people knew about the s@#t that is fed to farmed fish...
The hormone thing is to stop the fish from developing as adult males..as this slows flesh production...so they end up sort of androgonous..been largely replaced nowadays with "heat shocking" of fish eggs in order to drop a chromasome..resulting in "sexless" fish that do not waste energy developing gametes....more flesh production per kilo of feed....

Yes,they did feed chicken meal [ground chicken] to chickens..although not sure if this is still allowed...hormones to cattle was a big thing to reduce growth time...pretty sure it is banned now...but knowing how it is...probably still goes on,,,father-in-law produces organic,grass fed beef for the table..but because the beasts grow more slowly we have a job charging higher prices for a superior product...average person would rather pay less for some imported product with lower welfare and health standards....as long as they have their sky telly and new shoes...who cares??
Be better off with some nice organic,wild meats...dolphin anyone?

I rember now, stables i used to work at, before they turned in to
a livery yard, used to keep cattle, - knew id heard about it somewere,
as she was forever going on about what they used to do.

Tbh i dont eat that much meat, i used to work in a chicken factory
cleaning in the evening to begin with, the state them chickens came
in was unreal, lots had pumonia, hardley any feathers,
these were the large chickens i can never remember the name of them,
i know most of the products - the meat from them birds go's in to,
the egg's were also sold comercaly, the factory is still going
but it moved down south, to save money - not to mention the factory was falling bits.


We do have a lot of local farmers shops round hear, but have never realy been to them,
i know it may sound strange, but our local slaughter house, actualy has a restaraunt attached to it, it only kills and sells local meat, its the one place that i would like to
go to.